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's talk about some of the implications before we get to the blaming. the nato commission is being held up at this point, right, for general allen. they're still deciding if there's an implication for him in this. >> absolutely as a four-star you have a limited amount of time where you can serve in between positions and if you don't get confirmed which the nato position requires senate confirmation you revert back to the lower grade, so there's a real personal incentive to get this thing going as quickly as possible so he can move on to his next job and that clearly is in doubt. >> we talked about remember the 30,000 pages of documents which jill kelley tells howie, sunny, it's more like a couple hundred so that to me seems to be here and here and i get there's a difference between 300 or 400 e-mails and pages of documents. it's a little bit apples and oranges but she wouldn't tell howie, didn't let him read the e-mails, as you're a lawyer on this panel, how do you feel about that? >> you know, i'm concerned by it. it seems that when someone is being less than transparent, when there's som
was kind of the easy thing. the tough thing was building nato afterwards. wasn't winning world war ii the tough thing? i think it's a revealing little insight into his mind that deep down all this war stuff, that was kind of in the past, and sometimes you had to do it, but that's not really what a real statesman of the 21st century does. international engagement and avoid war at all costs. jon: some have suggested that the policies he pushed or emphasized like, you know, expanding gay marriage, for instance, don't cost anything, don't take money out of the federal budget. >> well, that might be true in some case cans, but again there, i mean, he makes that sound as if there's a universal consensus in the united states that gay rights is of the same standing as the civil rights movement from selma to stonewall. wasn't president obama himself not in favor of gay marriage until six months ago? do you have to believe in same-sex marriage if you believe in the principles of the declaration of independence? i don't think so. i don't think most americans think that's just obviously the right
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